I was over at a "munch" (a Brit term for an informal talk) at Deitide today on BDSM lifestyes with Lex. It was pretty interesting overall; there was some good discussion on the nature of the d/s relationship, how it is both similar and different from "vanilla" relationship, and what kind of expectations come out of it.
After a while though, the talk turned from d/s to a person's FL characteristics and how important it is for that person to "disclose" this info to others. As you might expect, the main characteristic in question was atomic gender. One fellow in particular was very adamant that the person he is either with or potentially with (meaning, I imagine, any female avatar) needs to be "honest" about their FL gender. A female avi also agreed, and the others that I saw were on a continuum from not caring to thinking it's somewhat important.
I have yet to understand why this is so critical. My best guess is that mostly FL males (and perhaps some FL women) would feel like if they were being SL intimate with a person who is the same sex at the keyboard, this activity would make them "gay". Therefore, they have to know the person's FL gender they are with so as to avoid this "gay" self-construction that might plague them.
All this was couched around "trust" -- if a person is not being truthful about their gender, how could you trust them in any other way? But what does the person's FL gender -- or anything else about that person -- have to do with how he or she treats another in SL, or trust in general in SL? I don't care if a person I'm a friend with in SL is male, female, gay, straight, bi, good looking, ugly, rich, poor, or anything else in the atomic world. All that matters is how that person treats me in SL, and how I treat that person back. If we go into business together in SL, or go into a monogamous relationship in SL, or agree to do X or Y, all I ask is that person keeps their word to me. I will reciprocate that to the best of my ability.
I don't ask for any FL info about people, and just take people as they present themselves. If they say something to me about their FL, I just assume it's true unless I have reasons to believe otherwise, and I generally don't. And I don't give anyone RL info unless I'm close to them, in which case I'll share some of my FL info. But in general, that's needless.
SL would be so much better if we all agreed that WYSIWYG. I'd imagine the best thing for people who are so scared that they might be with the same sex, or have other FL/SL hangups, is just don't get involved with anyone intimately here, since there is no way to 100% guarantee that the person you are with is the opposite sex in the atomic world.
And if that doesn't work, there's always the "logout" button, n'est-ce-pas?
-- Vanni
After a while though, the talk turned from d/s to a person's FL characteristics and how important it is for that person to "disclose" this info to others. As you might expect, the main characteristic in question was atomic gender. One fellow in particular was very adamant that the person he is either with or potentially with (meaning, I imagine, any female avatar) needs to be "honest" about their FL gender. A female avi also agreed, and the others that I saw were on a continuum from not caring to thinking it's somewhat important.
I have yet to understand why this is so critical. My best guess is that mostly FL males (and perhaps some FL women) would feel like if they were being SL intimate with a person who is the same sex at the keyboard, this activity would make them "gay". Therefore, they have to know the person's FL gender they are with so as to avoid this "gay" self-construction that might plague them.
All this was couched around "trust" -- if a person is not being truthful about their gender, how could you trust them in any other way? But what does the person's FL gender -- or anything else about that person -- have to do with how he or she treats another in SL, or trust in general in SL? I don't care if a person I'm a friend with in SL is male, female, gay, straight, bi, good looking, ugly, rich, poor, or anything else in the atomic world. All that matters is how that person treats me in SL, and how I treat that person back. If we go into business together in SL, or go into a monogamous relationship in SL, or agree to do X or Y, all I ask is that person keeps their word to me. I will reciprocate that to the best of my ability.
I don't ask for any FL info about people, and just take people as they present themselves. If they say something to me about their FL, I just assume it's true unless I have reasons to believe otherwise, and I generally don't. And I don't give anyone RL info unless I'm close to them, in which case I'll share some of my FL info. But in general, that's needless.
SL would be so much better if we all agreed that WYSIWYG. I'd imagine the best thing for people who are so scared that they might be with the same sex, or have other FL/SL hangups, is just don't get involved with anyone intimately here, since there is no way to 100% guarantee that the person you are with is the opposite sex in the atomic world.
And if that doesn't work, there's always the "logout" button, n'est-ce-pas?
-- Vanni
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I'm going to frame this and put it on my wall. Perfect...just perfect. I had no idea you were so...Digital :D
Sadly, not everyone agrees with WYSIWYG, hence identity verification and the A/S/L question. Like a lot of stuff here, it comes down to why the person is here in the first place: for direct FL benefit, or to do something within SL, or somewhere in the middle.
I think the best thing to do is not to make rules and policies dictating the other sides actions, it's just to clearly identify your stance on the matter.
I totally agree -- if a person says "this is just in SL, you won't find out any further info about me," and both sides agree to that, that should be it. As I said, I tend to think that the people that get all flustered FL gender are guys that are scared they might be "gay" were they to have an SL fling with a female avi that's a male atk. So, they have to "be sure" about who they are having this experience with. Sad.
I can understand that some people come into SL hoping for a FL hookup. If a person is looking for that, and asks another who claims to be looking for the same thing, then yes, FL honesty is important. I think looking for FL hookups are crazy in SL myself, but more power to those that want them. Beyond that, I see no reason that anyone's FL characteristics bear any weight on anything in SL.
Some people forget that SL is supposed to be fun and an escape from the day-to-day of FL. I feel bad for those folks.
-V
As for me, I accept everyone at face value. You are to me what you are and how you are appear. I judge you by the actions in this world and not beyond *shrugs*.
To be frankly, I find it a strange concept that trust should be directly related with what ever happends to gender/sex in the atomic world. Surely trust will be based on more than looks?
okay, I probably should stop blabbering, hope this made sense :)
xx
lexi
*hugs*
-V
There we go -- "as long as the user's female, she can lie about everything else." Wierd. At the munch, I asked the guy that was going on about "gender honesty" if my wearing pink hair, or having a 20 something's hot figure, or wearing latex would make me a "liar" as I don't look anything like that or wear anything along that order. He said "no, you are honest about that."
I don't get that at all -- my avi can look nothing like me at all, but as long as I'm "gender honest" I'm ok? Can one say "hypocrite?"
Thanks for the insight!